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...on the front page their are people actually trying to post bail for the "UMR Terrorist" and get him off with a lighter sentence? What is everyone's opinion about this?
Idk, he did make terrorist threats, but from what i've heard, he was suicidal over grades, but didnt have the gusto to do it himself, and only said those things to get the police to shoot and kill him. It sounds as if he has a mental disorder and that should be taken into account. Im not saying that he's justified, and I do think that terrorist threats should be punished, but you dont get pissed at a guy who calls you a fucktard if he has tourretts.
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I don't know the entire situation, and I will not pretend that I do. I have heard how woefully understaffed the counseling center is, and that if you make an appointment, you are like going to wait 2-3 weeks before seeing someone. I don't know, and I don't care for that matter, if this is true or not, but the ONLY way (in my feeble mind) that he should get ANY leniency, is if he requested a counselor and made it clear that he NEEDED to see one immediately, and was denied. If there was no attempt to seek help before the incident (brown nosing your prof for a better grade doesn't count) then I can't see any reason to give him the old wrist slap. I don't care if they throw him in jail, or deport him (that way we don't have to feed and shelter him for years) but he should most certainly receive quite a punishment.
EDIT:: I also want to bring up something that I haven't heard anyone else say yet. This guy should be punished for the whole situation. What if by some turn of events he had succeeded in his wishes of making the cops shoot him? Has anyone thought about how that would affect the police involved. First, they would most likely have a great deal of emotional trauma after killing a human being. Second, I know that many of you would always be wondering if it was some sick "redneck" cop trying to get their jollies killing a foreign student (because, as everyone knows, all of us "rednecks" are stupid and racist). So they would have their reputation ruined because some tool bag couldn't deal with getting a couple of B's....
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He did something serious. However, nobody got hurt (injured). If things had gone slightly differently, a cop's life (emotionally, financially, and professionally) could have been ruined, as jthxv pointed out. His incident cost thousands of dollars in taxpayer money, as well as a long time of inconvenience for the several people who were "contaminated."
He went crazy, just like any of us could do if overstressed. This is why it's important to have recreation and relaxation. That said, he dragged thousands of other people into his problem, which is a very selfish thing to do. Maybe he didn't want to hurt anybody else, but he sure didn't want to avoid it. He's no better than any other criminal who robs a gas station because they want the money, but don't really want to hurt the clerk. It's still a crime, and he still caused significant problems.
He needs to get help, but he is also accountable for his actions.
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Many years ago if this guy pulled this he just would've got beaten down by the cops and CNN wouldn't have heard anything. Now that the country is so hyped up on anything terrorism related, going into a public building and acting like a terrorist is going to get you some attention. Instead of wasting our time trying to figure out which are the real terrorists and which are the students wanting attention, let's just beat the shit out of anyone that claims that they are a terrorist. That should stop the attention grabbers.
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I'm somewhere in the middle on this. The fact that he suffers from a serious depression problem should definitely be taken into account, but it sounds like the Indian Community thinks that he should basically be set free because of it. I find that pretty ridiculous in itself. Depressed as he may have been, he still knew what he was doing was wrong, and that he was going to be in a lot of trouble.
What I'm wondering is why his professors weren't made aware of the problem, so they could at least try to make special accommodations to prevent something like this from happening. And if they were, why the hell didn't they? As unfair as it might sound to the rest of us, I'd rather a guy with issues be given less work or time extensions if it means he won't shoot up the school.
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yashi wrote:
I'm somewhere in the middle on this. The fact that he suffers from a serious depression problem should definitely be taken into account, but it sounds like the Indian Community thinks that he should basically be set free because of it. I find that pretty ridiculous in itself. Depressed as he may have been, he still knew what he was doing was wrong, and that he was going to be in a lot of trouble.
But it should be done very carefully. This is a pretty slippery slope as far as I am concerned, because then I could become very "depressed" and decide to commit a crime because of it (think assault [either sexual or physical], murder, etc) and claim it was my profs fault... I know I sound like a moron, but if you look at some of the claims lawyers make, it really isn't a stretch....
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I think that the "UMR terrorist" should be deported even though he was so deeply depressed that he wanted to commit suicide. The reason why I say this is because he was in well enough mind to exploit this country's biggest weakspot of claiming terrorism. Ever since 9/11 people have been going absolutely crazy about terrorism and if there is a terrorist, knowing full well of this fact the student exploited that weakness and brought in all kinds of police services, bomb technicians, the FBI, as well as many other branches of emergency relief systems in a failed suicide attempt. As such since he knew full well what he was doing and the severity of what he was doing, so I believe that he should be deported.
The online petition has 1518 signatures as of press time, with the people signing up leaving various messages saying that Sujith was innocent of all terrorist activities.
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I think that the "UMR terrorist" should be deported even though he was so deeply depressed that he wanted to commit suicide. The reason why I say this is because he was in well enough mind to exploit this country's biggest weakspot of claiming terrorism. Ever since 9/11 people have been going absolutely crazy about terrorism and if there is a terrorist, knowing full well of this fact the student exploited that weakness and brought in all kinds of police services, bomb technicians, the FBI, as well as many other branches of emergency relief systems in a failed suicide attempt. As such since he knew full well what he was doing and the severity of what he was doing, so I believe that he should be deported.
Yeah, and lets deport the the ATHF guys from boston.
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I think deportation is definitely a must. In this day and age we can't put up with people make threats like this even if it is on the basis of depression. The guy does need treatment as one of the reasons for imprisonment is rehabilitation. I think the question should be is it the US's responsibility to give him treatment or his home country?
But completely innocent? No. It put all the people around him in danger including himself, not to mention cost taxpayer money for all the feds and what not.
It's easy to look back at it and say oh yea well he wasn't really going to do anything bad to others so let's let him off the hook. But why couldn't your average psychopath make the same defense.
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I know this sounds mean, but I don't think he should be let off on lesser charges. He does need help, but if we let people off, the next person who has a stress breakdown, is going to do the same thing to get attention. I would hate to set a precadent saying this is ok to do. While he does have a sickness, I odn't think he should be 'let off'
He shouldn't be let off, but he shouldn't spend half his life locked up in prison. The only person he's a danger to is himself. Get him the help he needs, maybe throw in a short jail sentence, and send him back home.
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