from CIS:

We received a complaint that you may be scanning peoples machines and providing a directory of network shares that are open without the users permission. Please refrain from such activity. Also, note that the residence hall connections are not intended to be used to run servers.
Thank you.

Well, what's next...you seem to be running Windows 2000 which seems to map the campus network, you are able to see what people are sharing on there computers. The campus internet connection is not meant to be used for sharing anything on any computers. We request that you change operating systems immeadiately to remedy the situation.

-CIS-

i wish more poeple would register so i could see who some of the morons posting are.

UMRCIS,
The necronomicon has fortold the fateful day when you would try to take down the power that is SEEK42. Looting and pillaging of personal computers would rise steadily while you seek to appease the few unknowledgable few who are unable to either opt out or tell their personal protection software to trust all that is SEEK42. Student attendence to classes will drop dramatically as students are forced to search of a copy of MATLAB using the normal paths. LAN lines would be reduced to dust due to the massive amounts of people searching and searching and searching, computer by computer, not knowing where to turn since there is no guiding beacon of light to tell them where to go to find a certain shared resource. The necronomicon has foretold of this day, beginning first with removal of gamescan, the attempted formatting of KMNR, the invasion of the US by Canada, and now this monsterous atrocity which has been unleashed by you, CIS. Ah, but behold, the necronomicon has also told of a awesome day of rejoicing, where the students have risen up and protected this guilded compass that leads the way through the dismal muck and dank mire that CIS has created for us. "Leave SEEK42 how it is!" the students cry, as they return to their counter-strike, pron, and black&white.
The necronomicon has foretold, SEEK42 will always remain, even thought the whiny few cannot click optout.

Necronomicon translation and commentary by: Dapin
General fuck you to CIS for trying this by: Dapin
Fuck you to those whiny b@st@rds who still use seek42, but dont want it searching their shared resources by: Dapin

533k 42 //1LL 5k00L j00 4LL
l0||9 L1/3 SEEK42

If people don't want their shares scanned, then they shouldn't share out anything without a password. If they can't handle getting touched on the network then they should unplug their NIC. "Oh no, I just got pinged, and it really hurt!"

CIS policy says no servers for off-campus access, but since they block port 80 amongst others, then this is certainly on campus either. If they don't want ANY servers, well then all the computes sharing stuff should be shutdown because they are just as much 'servers' as seek42.

BTW, CIS promised me hostnames would be right within a few weeks at the start of this year. Still, we all have a form of the IP as the hostname. They need to quit bitching and fix what they broke. Worked last year, but NNNOOO, can't have that, gotta break it. God damn it'll be great livong off-campus next year with a non-busted network and an internet connection that doesn'rt slow to a fraction of a modem during the second semester of every year.

You're not going to get jack shit out of CIS by being confrontation and abrasive. Quite simply, you're in a position to bargain. Seek42 provides a service among computer users that would like to use it. Simply put, have people either REGISTER to use Seek42, or put a BIG message at the TOP of the page asking "WOULD YOU LIKE TO REMOVE YOUR COMPUTER FROM SEEK42?". That will take care of the respective doofus who refuses to scroll to the bottom of the page and wonder what the hell 'OptOut' means.

And don't forget, the university owns this lovely lan connection we have. Personally, i don't believe that calling the people who maintain and pay for the internet connections all sorts of off color names isn't going to help your cause.

Well, I'm done being abrasive and confrontational. You might want to start another forum for the responses to this post.

It is as simple as this people:

If you don't want to have people hitting your computer up for stuff, don't share anything!!!! Or, better yet, hit the "OptOut" button and get your computer taken off of the list! This would solve the firewall alert problem too you know--I mean, think about it people---if you're computer's not on the scan list, you're firewall won't go off!!!

>And don't forget, the university owns this lovely lan connection we have.
>Personally, i don't believe that calling the people who maintain and pay for
>the internet connections all sorts of off color names isn't going to help
>your cause.


Excuse me???? Who pays for the LAN???? I believe WE do. Don't forget that we are the ones who pay for not only tuition, pay for a dorm room (which you could get a better appt for the same price), but we also pay computing fees. If we want to use the local network in a moderate and responsible way, then we have EVERY right to. We're paying for it! Having the CIS dictate every single aspect of how we use our computers is just OVER THE TOP! If I want to make a simple web server for the LAN... I WILL. If I want to host a CounterStrike game.... I WILL. If I want to share files... I WILL.

About CIS -
I currently live in the Thomas Jefferson Residence Hall. I pay a fee each semester in order to use the internet connections here, as well as the lan. My tuition goes to pay both the University and all university employees (ie. CIS). If CIS does not consider the fashion seek42 is run, they are allowed to set up their own site to do a similar job. As for the CIS remark about Windows 2000, if they do not find it to be an appropriate operating system, why do they list it as a possible replacement for NT4 in the future? It is built on similar architecture. To find proof of this, go to the CIS website at http://www.umr.edu/~cis/policy/Computin ... tware.html this site shows their possible intentions to Windows 2000. I can predict the shutting down of seek42 will only lead to more bandwith being required in order for people to search for items on individual systems. As for the mention of servers in the first CIS email - their policy DOES allow for servers to be run by individuals. They only ask that the individual asks permission first. In this case, I do not know the particulars, but seek42 seems to be a great addition to the UMR network system, and I would think CIS would welcome the addition of seek42 with open arms. Sophocles

I will add that the message claiming to be from -CIS- is not really from CIS but a joke post from someone living in campus housing.

-ryan

Dont forget im paying 100 bucks a f*&$ing semester for this service considering I never use the campus computers. Its not like its a free internet service campus has bestowed on us, we're paying we should get some say!

Piecemaster

What is the email address of CIS? Post it on your site so people can respond.

--Halis

Do you mean the second message from CIS?

I see some really gullible people around here... and they dare to claim that the people getting upset by firewalls are stupid ... ?

Anyway. The solution is mentioned several times already: use an "opt in" instead of "opt out" mechanism, for the shares as well as for the gamescan.

Talk to CIS. I'm sure they're not TOTALLY unreasonable. I bet many of them use seek42 as well. As someone earlier in the thread pointed out, this is a valuable service to people who use the network, and it helps trim down the use of bandwidth to the internet, I'm sure. Maybe CIS can, as part of the registration procedure at the beginning of the semester, ask people whether or not they mind being scanned for shared resources. This would be a quick and easy way to compile a list of IP's that can be scanned.

And to make sharing more attractive, I bet you can restrict access to the search engine for only those IP's that bother to share anything. That way, anyone who opts out doesn't get to use seek42. ;-)

My two cents...
Bart

CIS can go to hell. Technically,every machine on this network violates the user agreement. We are not allowed run a server at all, for internal or external uses. Since the Microsoft Network Client/Server provides a service, it violates the agreement.

Somebody should complain about every single computer on campus, just to show them how ridiculous this is. After all, I'm recieving many unwanted broadcasts from all the machines on my subnet. CIS should do something about it. =) In fact, we should all file a seperate complaint for every machin on campus, see how CIS likes that.

Later,
Joe "JoeTheDestroyer" Barker